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Post by Hypersonic on Sept 12, 2006 17:42:13 GMT -5
Paul (NRN Admin) wrote: Here we go.  Carl Long is just as bad as any other start and park driver. Now that I think about it, he might be even worse. Long fans have used several excuses for his start and parks. His fans might say that he didn't enough money to install brake ducts. If that is true, why did he show up at the track to begin with? Another excuse was the impound procedure at New Hampshire in 2005. If you don't have time to install brake ducts after qualifying, why not install them and take the penalty? Starting at the rear of the field is better than retiring the car early. Another question, why was Long in that position in the first place? Yet another qualifying wreck?  Long has wrecked more cars in qualifying than any other driver that I can remember. I have lost count of how many accidents Long has had in practice or qualifying, and no Long fan can deny this fact. Why was Mike Skinner driving for R&J Racing at the Brickyard 400 this year? Wasn't Carl offered that ride? Oh yeah, he didn't want the qualifying pressure. If a professional race car driver can't handle that, how does he expect to land a full time job? |
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Post by tom on Sept 13, 2006 1:54:42 GMT -5
haha oh my... give me a break, you are pulling so much BS out of your a$$ its pathetic. "Long fans have used several excuses for his start and parks" lmao lets see 90% of the news out there I personally get straight from Carl himself, I tell the facts, that's why Carl's so likable as he tells the real deal after each race. Carl's not parked it in a Cup event (meaning a planned from the start deal) except for the one occasion back at Pocono in 2002 I believe it was when NASCAR called teams to get a full field. The incident at Bristol in 2005 with McGlynn not having brake ducts at Bristol was I believe an error on the team's part. When the heck did anyone say they couldnt afford to put in brake ducts? No one ever said that. How can you blame such a problem on Carl anyways? The team's shop is in PA, Carl didnt get the chance to go there except on rare occasions. Morgan on the other hand, he is his own team, he makes the calls, and for him to not put brake ducts on his car is stright up voluntary, the guy's no dummy. NH '05, wasnt that the race where the car got wrecked in qualifying, the team's backup wasnt meant for tracks like that and why bother spending more when a ton has already been lost due to a wrecked racecar. And speaking of Carl wrecking, how can you knock the man for giving it his all to get the thing in the field? Blaming crashes on a driver entirily is false and shows your ignorance and stupidity in not just that subject, but this entire topic.
and please, get carl off your pathetic field filler site.
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Post by 49 on Sept 13, 2006 2:06:32 GMT -5
you are pathetic my friend.
honestly, i question your nascar knowledge. because to compare the antics of carl long (a real RACER) and morgan shepherd...is pathetic.
you even went as far as saying carl is possibly worse!
seriously....where does this come from?
I talk to Tom (admin of carls board) with a bunch of other people over MSN messenger just about every night. I know Tom pretty well. Tom, being the admin of carls OFFICIAL site, speaking with him a few times a week, would know if carl ever had any planned S&Ps.
fact is, and i JUST talked to him about this...actually, im going to copy our convo straight out of the MSN box.
Tom says:
believe me
Tom says:
and i know best
Steve says:
and normally paul is really strict on his moderation
Tom says:
carl has never once told me to lie about not parking
Steve says:
yeah i believe it
Steve says:
only time they came and parked...was like pocono a long time ago
Steve says:
with mansion
Steve says:
correct?
Steve says:
last minute deal?
Tom says:
yes
Tom says:
the other time was new hampshire in wares #51 truck
Tom says:
other than those occasions i do not believe he has any other time
You obviously have the right to degrade carl over his several qualifying wrecks that he's had. fact is, mcglynn was putting a substantial amount of pressure on him to get into the fields, turned out they eventually sided with cope, per a sponsors request. they wanted a (daytona 500 winner) in their car. Carl was driving cars that were alot worse than what derrike has this year.
Royal administration stepped up their sponsorship, and that team gets new arrington motors every race. thats alot more than they could say last year, when they ran either carl's former petty engine...or a hendrick engine that was dyno'd at 70HP off pace.
but regardless, he did tear up some cars. so thats justified for you to say.
your parking spiel...is rediculous. as far as new hampshire goes, fact is, their primary was wrecked beyond repair. and as far as the backup went....they COULDNT modify it. it was their best car at 1.5 mile tracks. you dont mess with a car thats that good. and that car WAS good. they ran it at chicagoland where carl was running faster than the 4, 44, 32, and 49...until more than halfway through, when water was boiling in his seat, and he pulled it in with burns on his hind-end.
modifying that car, just so they could race legitly...at one of the lower paying races...would basically ruin they're shot at running the cookie cutters for the rest of the year. and anyway, they'd be unleashing a completely untested car...which would probably handle SO AWFUL at NH (especially with no practice) that they'd end up getting parked by nascar for not making minimum.
the other one tom and i were talking about was like 5 years ago. when he ran for mansion motorsports. basically, they were litteraly a field filler. they got a call from nascar, there werent enough entries...so they showed up..and parked the car.
i didnt know anything about the rick ware truck incident that tom mentioned.
that my friend, is pathetic. carl told john carter that he wanted to focus on his at the time, FULL TIME RIDE, with keith coleman racing...at IRP.
he made a wise decision to let mike drive the car, because lets face it...who has more starts at indy? carl has none...so theres a hint.
Im not going to ban you. however, i ask that you do some research before bashing drivers...especially when the three admins of this site have carl at number one on their list. thats not very intelligent.
seriously, i have grounds to ban you. bashing a driver is definitely qualified. but thats not the kind of admin i am. i believe in free speech, and little censorship. however, this was rediculous...and hit home for me...becuase carl is one of my favorites.
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Post by rickmastfan67 on Sept 13, 2006 4:53:44 GMT -5
your parking spiel...is rediculous. as far as new hampshire goes, fact is, their primary was wrecked beyond repair. and as far as the backup went....they COULDNT modify it. it was their best car at 1.5 mile tracks. you dont mess with a car thats that good. and that car WAS good. they ran it at chicagoland where carl was running faster than the 4, 44, 32, and 49...until more than halfway through, when water was boiling in his seat, and he pulled it in with burns on his hind-end. Steve, I hate to correct you on that post of yours which covered the bases really well, but you're incorrect on the backup car @ New Hampshire. The Chicagoland car wasn't the backup. The car was the one that Carl qualified 21st @ Darlington with if I remember correctly. It had been repaired, but not 100% fully re-decaled yet. Here are pictures below of the qual car and race car. Qual Car:  Race Car:  Anyways, that's the end of my post. Tom and Steve covered all of the bases already.  |
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Post by CarlLong46 on Sept 13, 2006 13:44:00 GMT -5
That was possibly the most pathetic post I ever read Hypersonic. Long worse than S&Pers like Cope? You're just as bad that hammer or whoever at the old Kirk Shelmerdine forum. Next time you're going to shoot your mouth off, make sure you know what you're talking about.
To say Carl is a horrible driver who wrecks all the time is balogna. He was able to get the Keith Coleman Racing lemons in all but one attempt he made with them. That's no small feat. He is also one of the hardest-working drivers in the business. The car he's running this weekend he's worked for years to rebuild. Most of today's young drivers can't say that.
I don't what you have against Carl, but you're constant complaining about him gets old. You're entitled to your opinion, but your'e just making a fool of yourself. You've been banned before, and I won't be surprised if you are again.
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Post by Hypersonic on Sept 13, 2006 14:25:12 GMT -5
I'm going to get this out of the way before I start replying to these ludicrous comments. seriously, i have grounds to ban you. bashing a driver is definitely qualified. but thats not the kind of admin i am. i believe in free speech, and little censorship. however, this was rediculous...and hit home for me...becuase carl is one of my favorites. . I do NOT appreciate you mentioning the word "ban" in response to this thread. I was willing to send private messages about it, but Paul insisted on creating a new public topic about it. |
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Post by 49 on Sept 13, 2006 14:46:14 GMT -5
dont try to tell me whats right and whats wrong.
fact is, opinions are what message boards are about.
but, your comments about how "carl couldnt take the pressure" and "couldn't handle it"
thats driver bashing my friend.
its quite un necessary. and frankly, wrong.
couldnt take the pressure? are you serious? every time a driver sits in a seat theres pressure. (besides possibly erin crocker)
fact is, to state that:
he "couldn't take the pressure"
he "starts and parks, possibly worse than the others"
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"his fans always make up excuses"
is ignorant. first of all, theres no way you would KNOW any of that, and its way off base.
the rest of this is between you and i, not only relating to the long-shepherd feud...and will be covered via PM.
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Post by Hypersonic on Sept 13, 2006 14:51:40 GMT -5
lets see 90% of the news out there I personally get straight from Carl himself, I tell the facts, that's why Carl's so likable as he tells the real deal after each race. That's nice. Most drivers will tell "the real deal" after each race. It only takes one time. Once a start and park driver, always a start and park driver. Paul, the NRN admin, stated that in one of his earlier posts. He said that the team was unable to afford brake ducts at Pocono in 2002. I think all these lame stories are creating confusion. That's HIS FAULT. Carl wasn't forced to drive for them. I'm sure he didn't have any trouble cashing the check that the team gave him. You are comparing apples and oranges. Each start and park driver is different, and I really don't like any of them. Why not withdraw? Carl Long caused that wreck himself. When cars get demolished, prepare to spend some money on them. WOW! I shouldn't blame wrecks in qualifying on the DRIVER? Who should take the blame? Terrorists? It's nice that Carl is trying in qualifying, but drivers should drive within their limits. I have never flown a plane before, and I'm not going to jump in and start performing air shows when I'm not capable of doing so. No thank you. I do appreciate you checking out my website though. |
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Post by 49 on Sept 13, 2006 15:07:50 GMT -5
withdrawing after making the race on your first lap?
theres no team in the world that would do that.
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Post by Hypersonic on Sept 13, 2006 15:09:00 GMT -5
but, your comments about how "carl couldnt take the pressure" and "couldn't handle it" thats driver bashing my friend. It's not bashing, it's the truth. From DD Long (Carl's wife): Carl can't handle the pressure! |
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Post by Hypersonic on Sept 13, 2006 15:15:42 GMT -5
One of the NRN administrators has asked me to stop early.  I respect their decisions, so I'll do that. I plan on sending private messages to the people who replied to this thread. I encourage others to send private messages on this issue as well. |
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Post by 49 on Sept 13, 2006 15:26:48 GMT -5
Carl admitted he was ready to give it his best shot. you quoted it from deedee yourself....
and to waiver that to a driver with much more experience at the track, who he is friends with. is nothing but an excellent decision. IMO.
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Post by Hypersonic on Sept 13, 2006 15:35:32 GMT -5
Carl admitted he was ready to give it his best shot. you quoted it from deedee yourself.... and to waiver that to a driver with much more experience at the track, who he is friends with. is nothing but an excellent decision. IMO. He still didn't want it. Long was talking about worst-case scenario. If Long is so good, he should do better than someone with more track experience. That's it. I'm only sending private messages now. Don't want another ban... |
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Post by MotorheadTR3 on Sept 13, 2006 16:21:06 GMT -5
Hypersonic: You are clearly one of the most unintelligent, stubborn, and biased posters I've seen in a while. Your post contains absolutely 0 facts and is nothing but childish hogwash. Good luck in your endeavors, because you are going to need it: take my word on that.
This whole forum is filled with people about as knowledgable as piece of cardboard. Every so often, I get linked over here from some people I know to laugh at people like you. For that, I say thanks: sometimes we all need a good laugh.
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Post by Matthew on Sept 13, 2006 16:32:31 GMT -5
Can I just please ask again that this idiot gets banned? Plenty of enough justification. Let him post his moronic ramblings and then send him to Iraq or somewhere that we'll never have to hear him again. Hyper, I'm not going to PM you because its pointless. You have no brain activity whatsoever. I've tried it once. Pointless.
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