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Post by Captain Spyro on Sept 10, 2006 18:30:03 GMT -5
well captain...i fully disagree with you there. in "saving the car" he sent a few worthwhile rides home. the 09 and the 55 would've run for sure. obviously the 74 wouldve parked....the 72 wouldve died... but how can you accept this? its a disgrace to the sport. I lost all respect for this operation. why oh why wouldn't you get brake ducts installed? to make your first race out of 22 and park is just rediculous. To blame Morgan for sending the other rides home is a disgrace in itself. They only have themselves to blame, not Morgan. The main reason I accept it is because Morgan is thinking like a business man and a team owner. If he had a fully funded ride; then he would deserve a kick in the ass. However, what he and Eco-First are doing is trying to build a team fromthe ground up. He's doing what he can and I'll accept that. Does the racing heart in me hurt? Yes, a little, but in reality, people need to understand that there's more under the surface. Just because he parks it doesn't mean he didn't try to run the race.
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Post by jarody on Sept 10, 2006 20:10:53 GMT -5
Just because he parks it doesn't mean he didn't try to run the race. I'm quoting that because thats the largest amount of BS I've read today.
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Post by 49 on Sept 11, 2006 0:54:11 GMT -5
and well, i really shouldnt be doing this. i should be a role model as an admin. but this hits home for me.
morgan has been parking for many years now. of course, the whole time it was "trying to build up the operation". when will the parking end? when will it be built up enough so that they may race?
dont get me wrong, ive seen morgan on windtunnel, and heard lots about him. hes a good guy.
but taking EARNED paychecks away from the people at the 55 and 09 isnt really helping people.
but i suppose that depends on what your definition of earned is.
I just don't think its right for anyone (whether its kirk, morgan, derrike, or anyone else) to set up the car so that its fast for 2 laps, get a spot in the race, and retire early for no reason.
theres young guys on crew of teams such as carls, frm and whatnot, that are just DREAMING to get into a nextel cup race. i dont think its fair to take away an opertunity for a driver/team to COMPETE so that you can park your car in the first few laps.
however, this debate never ends. its torn the carl long board apart on several occasions. for awhile, the admin (tom) had to issue a censorship of morgans name. lol.
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Post by Paul on Sept 11, 2006 15:43:08 GMT -5
I remember Carl Long using a backup car with incomplete brake ducting ................for 8 laps I feel the same way about Mr. Long. I have a feeling that I will get banned again if I share my true thoughts about him publically, so send me a private message if you want my opinion. Hypersonic, if you want to share your opion, go ahead. Put it in the underdog forum. I don't censor opinions. Just don't hijack this thread.
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Post by Hypersonic on Sept 12, 2006 17:44:15 GMT -5
Hypersonic, if you want to share your opion, go ahead. Put it in the underdog forum. I don't censor opinions. Just don't hijack this thread. Thanks Paul! You can find the thread here.
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Post by zdawg on Sept 12, 2006 20:03:31 GMT -5
I think I will talk a little about this underdog thing.....i was at rir for the weekend and eas listening in to several teams besides the frm guys.
first the morgan shepherd despute. it was nothing less than a s&p. he was running good ahead of about 4 cars and then pulled down pit row. and yes he DID have brake ducts. i saw them. he said this; "i can feel the brakes starting to wear out, we are done". thats all i will say about that.
I think that Morgan is 1% "Racing for Jesus" and 99% "Racing for Morgan". Hey, 43rd 31+ times acumulates a lot of money. And that is more than enough to keep him coming back for more s&p effort's. Heck I am no wiz kid, but I am not stupid. And incase you were stupid enough to believe that "we dont have enough money to buy tires" thing on his website, big teams will give practice tires away for FREE so thats just a BS escuse.
as for both of the "true" underdog cars in the field, the #34 team had a spring mount break. they had a good car, it was ol "harry". blount was doing a good job. jimmy means was helping the team out this week as the crew cheif as mike steruer left after last weekend and is now with james finch racing. bob jenkins was spotting. they had a qualifying setup on the car with a pretty aggresive shock package so i dont know if that was the problem but the team had a de-breifing meeting afterward to discuss a few things.
the #61 team ran well. the car was pushing bad all night untill the last 100 laps. chaffin was faster then the last 10 cars running ahead of him but he did not want to get in the way of them since he was so many more laps down. both the #34 and #61 had similar setups, the #34 learned some things and the #61 learned some things. they will be using those notes at loudon. special thanks to makoto ginger dressings, and flagman for helping out this weekend.
Randy told me that he threw a bunch of things at the car before qualifying. Chad told him that they weren't that bad but Randy assured him that the other guys were doing the same thing and would pickup quite a bit from their practice speeds. You know the old saying "GO BIG OR GO HOME". It paid off. The car felt so good that Chad actually over drove it into turn three on his second lap. They give you a report that breaks the track down into segments and Chad had the fastest time for that section entering turn three. Somehow he got the car turned and made it off the corner with out knocking the wall down.
At least some teams "try".
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Post by jay on Sept 13, 2006 2:40:20 GMT -5
I remember Carl Long using a backup car with incomplete brake ducting ................for 8 laps Pete, I used to really, REALLY respect you man. You used to pretend to be a huge fan of Carl's. Now because someone on his board ran you off, you're suddenly a hater? Or is it because you became an moderator over here? I'm not even bothered that you're a fan of Morgans....we all like who we like. I'm bothered that, for 2 years, you pretended to be a huge fan of Carl's. I guess it goes to show how quickly allegiances are switched when someone gives you a little bit of power on another drivers forum. I'm sure this will be deleted, but the ONLY reason I registered for this board was to make this one response to Pete's comment. Pete, consider my respect for you, gone. Jay - Carl Long FAN
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Post by MotorheadTR3 on Sept 13, 2006 3:03:56 GMT -5
the difference between Carl Long and Morgan Shepherd is that:
Morgan Shepherd has parked in 99% of his last 35-40 races.
Carl Long has parked, what, once in the Cup series?
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Post by jarody on Sept 13, 2006 7:47:26 GMT -5
Morgan Shepherd parks it a lot more then Carl Long.
Carl Long S&Ps though so he can actually race in the next race.
Morgan doesn't race anymore.
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Post by Matthew on Sept 13, 2006 8:00:58 GMT -5
Perhaps you didn't read the last few posts...or it slipped by you?
Carl Long DOES NOT PARK in any races. He made the mistake once in Trucks, driving for Ware. He did it when he was FORCED to. When NA$CAR called up his team to FILL THE FIELD for a race in which his team was unprepared to compete in.
(ps---I don't consider "field filling" parking anywhere near as bad as regular parking where you steal a spot away from a team who intends to race the entire distance)
Look, I'm not trying to make this a pro-Carl Long thread. If you want that, go somewhere else. All I'm doing (and most everyone else with a brain here is doing) is stating facts.
Why in Racing With Jesus's name is Carl Long CONTINUOUSLY brought into these discussions? Is it because he is popular? Is it because folks are jealous of him? Let it rest for Racing With Jesus's sake.
I think most of us are fans of ALL underdogs. Why in Scientology's name isn't Stanton Barrett or Chad Chaffin's name brought into all of this crap? Why does it ALL have to be so anti-Carl Long? What in the Scientology did HE do?
STOP IT!!! And Hypersonic, please burn in heck.
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Post by jarody on Sept 13, 2006 16:08:16 GMT -5
Perhaps you didn't read the last few posts...or it slipped by you? Carl Long DOES NOT PARK in any races. Quoting for the BS factor once again. [Image Deleted] **** Jarody, DO NOT use profanity on this forum. This is your FINAL warning. ****
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Post by Matthew on Sept 13, 2006 16:34:00 GMT -5
Add another one to the idiot bregade. You're dead to me now Jarody.
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Post by Captain Spyro on Sept 13, 2006 17:32:41 GMT -5
Ok, can we have an intelligent discussion without the insults? It's one thing to share opinions, but it's another to get so darned rash about it.
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Post by jarody on Sept 13, 2006 19:54:50 GMT -5
Add another one to the idiot bregade. You're dead to me now Jarody. So I'm dead to you now because my opinion doesn't match up with yours? How Christian of you.
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Post by jarody on Sept 13, 2006 19:58:48 GMT -5
Ok, can we have an intelligent discussion without the insults? It's one thing to share opinions, but it's another to get so darned rash about it. Sorry,but when a persons arguement is false,I point it out.
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